Posted by MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY on June 12, 2003 at 13:45:58:
In Reply to: Re: VMRO-MNM (MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS)! posted by MACEDONIAN REVOLUTIONARY on April 16, 2003 at 19:06:46:
From: "Macedonian Revolutionary" macedonian_revolutionary@hotmail.com
To: "Canadian International Development Agency" info@acdi-cida.gc.ca
CC: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" ljupco_mircevski_trepet@hotmail.com
Subject: The Western World propaganda about MACEDONIA AND THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:43:24 +0000
The Western World propaganda about MACEDONIA AND THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/CIDAWEB/webcountry.nsf/VLUDocEn/FormerYugoslavRepublicofMacedonia-Projects
http://www.cc.ece.ntua.gr/~conster/PageData/proposed_names.htm
Proposed names for FYROM
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Since the name "Macedonia" cannot be justified for FYROM, we must see if there are other names that suit that state better. Here are 2 proposed names:
Vardaria
The area of FYROM, just as soon the WWI ended was named as Vardaska Banovina which means the Vardar (Axios) river valley. That was the first name that was invented for that specific area as soon as it was liberated from the Othoman occupation. It certainly is most suitable for FYROM, since the term Vardaria fits to all the area of FYROM (while the term "Macedonia" doesn't) and it was invented to identify FYROM (while the name "Macedonia" was invented to identify Greeks).
Centro-Balkanian Republic
This is the second most fitting name for FYROM, since it geographically describes FYROM 100%, and as a name there is no "national" character, which means that it can be used to identify the multi-national state of FYROM.
Any other proposed names are welcome.
Help those people find a name for them, because it is really embarrassing (and pathetic) for them to steal names that are already in use!
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Updated 25 March 1999
READ ABOUT MACEDONIA!
THE TRUTH ABOUT MACEDONIA AND THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
Message From:
The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization - Macedonian for the Macedonians (VMRO-MNM)!
Tihs is not a commercial. This is about a nation that has suffered deeply, a nation the world has forgotten about.
The Macedoian nation has been robbed of its history, traditions, culture, identity, land and so on. Everything the athenians, the "bulgarians", the serbs and rhe "albanians" are writing is really Macedonian. We Macedonians have suffered enough.We want to to show the world our struggle for for justice.
The media of the western world has never showed the truth about Macedonia, only "propaganda news".
This is the only wey for us to make our voices heard and to inform the world.
If you want to know the truth about Macedonia and the Macedonian nation, please visit the web site: www.vmro-mnm.com
Alo "atina", "sofija", "belgrad" i "tirana" ovde MAKEDONIJA!
Hallo "athens", "sofija", "belgrad" and "tirana" here is MACEDONIA!
MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!
JAS SUM MAKEDONEC A NE FYROMEC!
NIE SME MAKEDONCI A NE FYROMCI!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA ZEMJA!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!
LONG LIVE MACEDONIAN!
LONG LIVE THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS NO ONE ELSE.
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM
Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization - Macedonia For The Macedonians (VMRO-MNM)!
February 13, 2001
Declaration
The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization VMRO-MNM (Macedonia for the Macedonians) is writing in its declaration about the violations and political discrimination of the Macedonian people and the Macedonian country.Concerning the violations and the political discrimination executed by the organization of human rights – the UN. The organization VMRO-MNM has written and protested, and demanded an acknowledgement of Macedonia under its historical name, that the name FYROM and the non-Macedonian flag, the "fan", should be removed. This has not been done and our country is still, incorrectly, named FYROM.
At the Millennium conference, in the beginning of Sept. 2000, the UN wrote the "Millennium" declaration, a declaration of justice, solidarity and the rights of all people in the world. A very important issue they neglected to bring up and to do something Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet about, was the rights of people, living in exile and oppressed by the powers of the Western World and of the occupants. We, the Macedonian people, are still harassed in our own country, by the neighbouring occupants, the Western World and by corrupt Macedonians, anti Macedonians. Many Macedonians and Macedonian Organizations, from the Aegean part of Macedonia, the Pirin part of Macedonia, the Vardar Part of Macedonia and from all over the world, have written and told about Macedonia, about our nationality, culture, history and so on.
At this conference we did not retrieve our true Macedonian name, the name of our ancestors, the name of our country - Macedonia but still the false creation FYROM is used. Nor was our Macedonian flag, the symbol of Kutles returned, but instead the Macedonian people are supposed to be content with this discrimination and violation of our nation and to accept the non-Macedonian flag, the "fan". Our nation is the oldest in the world, still we Macedonians are being violated and offended. This is criminal, undemocratically, political discrimination by the United Nations.
The United Nations is supposed to be the world's greatest organization for Human Rights, not an organization, supporting "Albanian" terrorists and bandits on the Balkans. At the very beginning, when the terror organization, the UCK was formed in Tirana, the UN supported the organization and paid the terror soldiers their wages, equal to what a labourer makes in the Western World. The UN is a murder organization that organizes terror groups all over the world, and not only the UN but also other human rights organizations are devoted to the same actions.
What has been written in the declaration is the same as it was 50 years ago. Nothing has been done for the people living on this planet. People all over the world are suffering, people live in poverty and people are being murdered every other second because of the injustice of organizations that are supposed to help people. The people in power and responsible for this, live their lives in luxury. Children are being used as slave workers by rich bandits.
We, the Macedonian people, do not accept this and the UN do not exist to us since there is corruption, Mafia and bandits inside this organization and the things the UN is doing to Macedonia is criminal. We demand, for the last time, that the name FYROM be removed, together with the "fan", the non-Macedonian flag, that is hanging in New York.
I hope the UN will listen to the Macedonian nation this time.The European Union is also corrupt. This is a Mafia organization, containing bandits and criminals. The Macedonian organization has also written to them about the situation and told them to stop the violations and the political discrimination against the Macedonian people. We demand that the name FYROM be removed and that the true historical name, Macedonia, will be applied. The EU must also stop interfering in the internal affairs of Macedonia.
Visa requirement for Macedonians with Macedonian passports.
Macedonians with Macedonian citizenship are forced to have visas to the whole Western World and to many Eastern countries.
The Western World speaks about free movement for people, open borders and so on. This is not reality. The Macedonian people are harassed and discriminated politically. For us being able to visit relatives or friends, some Western countries demand both money and uncountable documents.
There are some countries that do not demand any money for the visa but the number of documents one has to produce are innumerable. Besides this, one must also be able to prove that one has a considerable sum of money in ones account.
If perhaps an old Macedonian couple would like to go to France to visit their children it is requested of them, besides the 100 DM mark each of them have to pay for the visas, that they have between 10,000 and 12,000 Francs in their saving accounts if they are to retain a visa. And then they also have to produce a number of papers just so they can visit their children.
Younger Macedonians must also produce a certificate of employment to prove that they are regularly employed in another country and not trying to sneak into France or any other Western Country for that matter!
I would like to ask the French Government about what kind of rules these are and why a person who seek visa must have such large amounts in his/her account. Most people in Macedonia do not have that kind of money in their accounts. Nor have the majority in the Western World such sums.
This way France stops Macedonians from visiting their relatives. Most western countries have similar systems to shut out the people they do not want. This system is undemocratic and dictatorial.
Another issue I want to bring up is about why the Macedonians that live in an EU country must have visa to visit another EU country. If one for example lives in Sweden and wants to go to Germany for perhaps a weekend trip one must have a visa.
I think that the EU countries ought to have the same rules for all the citizens in a country irrespective of their national belongings. If we have a residence permit in a country why do we then have to have a visa? The borders are "open" between the EU countries but not for us, for us they are closed, we are second-rate citizens. But the EU countries are making money on us, this is criminal.
I want to mention a non EU country where no visa is needed if one has a residence permit in a western country. This country is Switzerland. It is to some extent some kind of justice, however, Macedonian citizens living in Macedonia have no right to visit Switzerland without a visa; but it is more justice than what the EU countries are showing us.
The Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM demand from all Western and East countries that the visa restraint for all Macedonian citizens immediately is removed.
Unfortunately there are other issues, more discriminating than the above mentioned. Macedonians who live in Macedonia and try to obtain permission to enter other countries, experiences great difficulty because of the "Albanians" that the foreign embassies in Macedonia have employed. One man, for example, has tried to obtain a visa to Switzerland, to visit his relatives, for several months. He is regularly employed and has provided all the documents and guaranties needed. These papers have then been sent as a registered letter to the Swiss Embassy in Macedonia but he has not even received an answer. He has visited the Swiss Embassy several times to hand in his application, since papers coming into "Albanian" hands disappear, but he has still not received a reply. The "Albanians" are complaining about violations and that they have no rights when it is the Macedonian people that are without rights. "Albanians" work at the hospitals, the authorities, airports, in large companies - often in top positions etc while the Macedonians experience unemployment. And since Macedonians encounter problems when they seek a visa permit the people you see travelling abroad are mostly "Albanians", who never seem to have any problems with any visa restraints. We know what nation that is oppressed and it is not the "Albanian" but the Macedonian nation. It is not surprising that people in Macedonia are afraid and do not trust the anti-Macedonian authorities.
An Organization
One strange thing is that the EU countries have different regulations different principles. Since they are members of the same union they ought to have one program, one statute, the same law in all EU countries, but this is not the case. In the Former Scandinavian Province of Sweden for example, you have to pay tax on books, which is a very big income source for the state. No other EU country has this rule. I feel that this tax ought to be removed immediately if there are to be the same EU rules.
It is also time to stop the discrimination and harassment against the immigrants in the Western World. An immigrant have no longer any rights. Their children are being persecuted in school. Immigrants are violated and discriminated, at the employment office, the unions, the labour market, the banks. Immigrants can no longer borrow money to start their own business because of their origin.
In Denmark they want to forbid home-language instructions in the schools. Immigrants are being discriminated and violated. As many as 40% of the immigrants want to leave the country too seek a better, more normal life. This concerns not only Denmark but whole of the Western World. In my opinion 95% of the Western World is Racist, Fascist and Nazi. Their politicians write beautiful speeches and talk much but do not fulfil their promises. Secretly and in silence they are doing the opposite. And if an immigrant is to complain he is met with negative answers.
Nato, this nazi fascist and barbaric terror organization has occupied the country of Macedonia since the end of 1998 with its army troops of criminals and drug addicts. We have previously demanded that Nato must leave Macedonia and also pay compensation for everything that has been destroyed by Nato, for example roads, land and nature. For some time the soldiers have provoked and conducted criminal actions in Macedonia. They have armed the balisti, the "Albanians" from Caucasus so they can commence war and build their "Great-Albania". Macedonian soldiers have been kidnapped by the "Albanian" balisti to be used as trade for "Albanian" terrorists and Mafia bandits imprisoned in Macedonia. Numerous of Macedonian soldiers have been murdered by the "Albanian" fascists and Macedonian officers have been exposed to attacks and murdered.
In our country we do not accept drug addicts and alcoholics who takes advantage of our little girls, our little children. The Nazis and Fascists did the same under the Second World War as the Nato soldiers are doing now.
Nato has not come to Macedonia to keep the peace, but, as occupant, to steal the riches of Macedonia. Nato act as archaeologist and with its soldiers digging day and night to find and steal ancient Macedonian artefacts, gold and silver. And when they find the riches of Macedonia they have not time to dig them up but instead they use explosives. Then they arrive to the crime scene with their large machines, camouflaging the place, believing that no one will see them. This exploitation of a country is criminal.
How much the Western World has stolen from Macedonia we do not know yet, but I would guess that the sum exceeds hundreds of thousands billion dollars. The Macedonian people are living in poverty in their own country while the Western Worlds fascists and nazis are exploiting Macedonia. It is like taking the bread out of the child's mouth, Macedonia is a small country compared to "mighty" Europe.
I, as president of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM, am optimistic, than one day you will return everything that you have stolen from us. The organization VMRO-MNM is giving Nato its last ultimatum, to leave Macedonian territory within thirty days.
In my previous letters to the Nato barbarians I wrote about the lethal weapons they have used in Serbia and other parts of the world. These criminal elements have poisoned the entire nature of the Balkans. Also Macedonia was hit under this so called "war" by hundreds of projectiles. Projectiles, that "missed" their aims in Serbia and in the province of Serbia, Kosovo-Metohija, and instead hit Macedonian territory. And Nato aircraft that could not land in the Adriatic Sea with their bombs emptied their deadly cargo over Macedonia. And the tracks were swiftly covered up by the Nato terrorists. The bombs were removed, the ground was covered with soil and grass. No Macedonian police, soldiers or journalists were allowed to pass on to the places of impact. But the poison that was spread in nature could not be covered up.
Eventually it has been revealed in the Media, what we already previously knew about the Western World's interference in other countries and their bombings with toxic material. The war in Iraq and the bomb attacks against Serbia, now finally the world reacts and criticise the Nato barbarians and terrorists, now when several people have died in diseases related to these attacks.
One should not only think about the soldiers. On the Balkans there are over 50 million people. How many of them who have become sick because of these chemical weapons no one knows yet.
The people involved in these bombings must be convicted of war crimes in The Hague:
Bill Clinton (Hitler II)
Madeline Albright
General Wesley K Clark
Richard Holbrooke
Tony Blair
Robin Cooke
Marti Ahtisaari
Javier Solana
Nato member states' governments
The government of Tirana
Gerhard Schröder
Joseph Fischer
Jacques Chirac
Göran Persson
Anna Lindh
Carl Bildt
United Nation Secretary
General Koffi Annan
The government of "Bulgaria"
The anti Macedonian government
The Governments of the Western World.
the Western World's authorities help the "Albanian" balists from Caucasus by letting them demonstrate and protest in the west about demands of Human Rights in Macedonia. Rights they already have but the Macedonian people lack.
So the "Albanians" demonstrations and protests are not about obtaining Human Rights but about provoking and frightening the Macedonian Nation. This has been going on for a very long time and the Macedonian people in the Western World feel provoked and threatened.
Several Macedonians have written to the anti-Macedonian Government to acquire an end to this. They have asked the government to urge the governments of the Western World to end and forbid such demonstrations.
But the anti-Macedonian Government is not on the side of the Macedonian people. It is a Mafia organization, consisting of terrorists, bandits, agents and spies. They who sit in the "government" and "parliament and also in political organizations are corrupt and sell themselves for western currency. Of course there are honourable Macedonian politicians but they have no power. They are tortured, imprisoned, murdered or forced to leave their native country.
It is therefore impossible that such a Government would demand that the Western World should stop and forbid these provocations that the "Albanian" balists carry out, organized by the Western World's Mafia organizations.
The groups that demonstrates are terrorists and bandits. Therefore I do not believe that the west will stop such demonstrations.
I, as president of the Organization VMRO-MNM have promised the Macedonian people that I will demand from all countries where there is "Albanian" balists, terrorists and Mafia that they immediately stop these demonstrations.
This declaration will be sent out to all the countries in the world and with this I demand that these provocative demonstrations, carried out by "Albanian" balists, immediately are stopped.
The Human Rights Organizations and Institutes in the world.
All those organizations that are called Human Rights Organizations have been created by the Western World, for the criminal bureaucrats and bandits, for the Rich that want more and are never satisfied.
The most dangerous of these are the UN, EU, NATO, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Helsinki Committee, UNICEF, USSC and the Red Cross. They are like Mafia Organizations, there to make money and to provoke outside the borders of the Western World. Bandits who sell weapons and create disturbances and war, who murder people.
My demand from these organizations is that they stop their blackmail, threats and murders on people around the world. People, who are truly intelligent, who will do good for the people in the world, whose first and only concern is not about money and who do not want to have anything to do with the corruption of the Western World.
The rich Capitalists of the Western World, with their money, behave as the "leaders" of the world. They believe they can do what they desire, bribe people or pay assassins to harass and terrorize good, honest people, people who want to work as good politicians, as good leaders in their own countries. But they are not given any chance by the bureaucrats and the Rich of the Western World who threaten their families or, eventually, murder them.
The politicians of the Western World criticise other countries outside the borders of the west about there being many corrupt politicians and so on. The truth is, that the corruption in the Western World is a gigantic Industry. The rich west bureaucrats and bandits ought to give the poor people the opportunity to prosper. Instead they take advantage of them, build hazardous fabrics in their countries and use their children as slave workers. These poor families, whose clever and intelligent children could do a lot of good in the world, are denied the right to adequate education.
Little girls and boys are kidnapped and brought to the brothels of the Western World. These little children are abused by paedophiles. Who are they? They are the ones sitting in Brussels, Strasbourg, the EU bureaucrats, the NATO barbarians. It is they who organize such organizations paid by the EU parliament. Stop the kidnappings executed by your Mafia organizations.
Such bandits, who drains the blood out of children, are vampires. Large Western World companies, for example McDonalds and many other companies, ought to be ashamed using little children to make a profit. But they can not be ashamed since they have no feelings, they are murderers, vampires. And regarding the large medical companies. Inferior medicine are sent to poor countries while medicine of good quality are sent to the rich bureaucrats. Poor people can not pay for expensive medicine, only for the cheap, inferior ones, but such medicine is ineffective. This destructive system must change. This is murder!
There are innumerable of funds in the world that are supposed to look to the best for man kind. But the only obligation they seam to have is to make the rich richer so they can continue with their lives in luxury. For example the children's cancer fund and the lung fund receive large contributions from the public but only 2% of it is used to help the sick.
Who is it then, who contributes to these funds? Well, ordinary people, adults but also children who ask their parents for money to certain collections that are being done in the schools. The only thing they are being, is cheated while the rich "democratic" bandits and politicians with their high salaries do not give away a single penny.
Speaking of crime and fraud I want to mention the human rights organization Amnesty International. Last year it came out that their criminal chairman in Stockholm had made a fortune on various funds. This man, Jesus Alcalá, lives in a luxurious house and drives around in a car worth around 100 000 DM. And his son has nothing to complain of.
Such criminal people and "human rights organizations" who are guilty of the death of millions of people, are not to be trusted, they are to be removed. They are not to be respected by the society of the world. This is not what the people should trust and invest in.
The neighbouring occupants of Macedonian territory:
The Athenians – the Asian race that since 1830 is named "Greeks", (under Aleksandar Makedonski the Great’s empire Athens was known as the Asian province) occupying the Aegean part of Macedonia.The former Turkish gypsies that today are known as Bulgarians, occupying the Pirin part of Macedonia.
The balisti, "Albanians" from Caucasus, occupying the Western part of Macedonia, Mala Prespa.
The Serbian vrhovisti, occupying a part of Northern Macedonia.
They are given by the Macedonian National organization VMRO-MNM a last chance to return Macedonian occupied territory.
The Vatican, the Egyptian government and Turkey has received demands from the Macedonian organization VMRO-MNM to return everything that once was stolen from the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia.
The Western World must accept the truth about the Macedonian history and the Macedonian nation. It is time for all museums, galleries, historical institutes’ etc., to return everything that has been stolen from us and to let the truth be revealed. The stolen Macedonian paintings, archaeological findings, statues of great Macedonian men and women, the stolen names of our kings and ancestors, our goods, the Macedonian classical antiquity and the truth about Macedonian literature, history, philosophy, poetry etc. This must be returned to the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia. What belongs to us must be returned to us, immediately.
The organization VMRO-MNM is again asking the students of the world to stop reading false history, literature and poetry and instead accept the truth. Do not let so called professors, historians, scientists and politicians, writers and journalists plunder the Macedonian people and the country of Macedonia and give it to the Athenians and the Bulgarians.
Message for the Macedonian Nation
I urge all Macedonians, wherever they live in the world, to boycott the trade of goods from Athens (Made in "Greece"), from the Asian Tatari (Made in "Bulgaria"), the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Slovenia (Made in "Slovenia") and the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Croatia (Made in "Croatia").
The boycott against Athens and the Asian Tatari do not need any presentation since their conducts are widely known. But regarding the other two, FYROS and FYROC, these states buys goods from Macedonia, from the Macedonian bandits, the Mafia, and then put their own labels on these goods. This is something we cannot accept, this is criminal!
Neither wine, as Vranac for example (a Macedonian wine that has been produced for thousands of years), nor preserved vegetables, as for example ajvar, pindjur, strong pepper (feferoni), mixed salad, are manufactured in Slovenia but is brought directly from Macedonia. The only thing the Slovenians do is to put their own labels on the cans. The Croats uses the same pranks on for example red paprika from Macedonia.
The Macedonian Nation must also boycott all diplomatic relations with FYROC since their Government co-operates with the Asian tatari's Government in Sofija in order to forge Macedonian history. Both Governments have made a deal about building a big statue in the town of Gjakovo in FYROC, representing two Macedonian patriots who fought for the Macedonian culture, two brothers, Dimitar and Konstantin Miladinovci. The Zagreb and the Sofija Government tries to take this legends from the Macedonian people and turn them into "Bulgarians". This is both humiliating and criminal by these Governments to continue to forge the history of other nationalities. The Macedonian nation do not accept this.
The family of Dimitar and Konstantin Miladinovci have protested and they have tried to stop these Governments attempts. The Macedonian Revolutionary Organization VMRO-MNM support their claims and we demand from the Zagreb Government that they stop meddling in other people's history and that they keep their hands from the Macedonian nation and the Macedonian history. This declaration will be sent to the Zagreb Government and with it the Macedonian organization demand a written answer that the claims from the family of Dimitrija and Konstantin Miladonovci and VMRO-MNM will be accepted.
FYROS and FYROC, who have acknowledged Macedonia under its true, accurate name, still uses the name FYROM in international connections, as for example the Eurovision Song Contest. The Macedonian nation do not concede to this.
Catastrophically events continues in Macedonia. In the western parts of Macedonia the Macedonian children do not longer dare to go to school because of the "Albanian" terrorists. The terror leaders from the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, Arben Dzaferi and Hashim Thaci (Tachi) have organized and armed "Albanian" youths. Many Macedonian children have been severely maltreated. This has made the Macedonian children afraid of going to school in their own country. Other children have been kidnapped and brought out of the country to the brothels of the Western World and to the luxury hotels and clubs of paedophiles. We do not accept these deeds.
And the "Albanian" terrorist leader Arben Dzaferi who is a member in the anti Macedonian Government in Skopje and terrorist leader no 2, Hashim Thaci (Tachi), in the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija, have organized a new terror organization together with Nato, in our country Macedonia. On Jan 22, 2000, they performed a terror attack on a police station in the village of Tearce in the Macedonian region of Tetovo. One policeman was murdered and three others were severely injured. We can not accept this. These terrorists, both "Albanians" and Nato must leave our country immediately. The Macedonian people in Macedonia must boycott "Albanian" stores and both adults as children must stop speaking to "Albanians", at work, in the streets, in the schools etc.
A boycott against the country "Albania" where the "Albanian" balists from Caucasus resides is however not necessary since there are no goods "Made in Albania". These unintelligent people have neither industries nor any products. They have terror organizations and Mafia bandits and their trade is in drugs from different countries and Mafia groups and in the Western World's weapons and drugs. They do not know anything else but crime, to murder and rape and provoke war.
An Appeal from the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM
The Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM appeal for help and support, for acknowledgement of our country and for our independence.
We thank the countries that have acknowledged Macedonia under its true, historical name and wait for remaining countries to follow their example as soon as possible.
We ask for support in the struggle against inequitable organizations and institutions for human rights. And by protesting, make these acknowledge Macedonia under its true, historical name and that the name FYROM vanishes for ever.
The Macedonian people are living, in all of the occupied territories, a terrible life in poverty with violations, torture and imprisonment. The Macedonian people have no human rights what so ever. Some months ago VMRO-MNM received a tape from a Macedonian group in Germany. The tape showed people, living in extreme poverty in the Aegean part of Macedonia, occupied by the Athenians.
Old people were interviewed and what they told us on the tape was unforgettable. They appealed to Macedonian patriots to save them from the penury they are living in because of the Athenian fascistic occupants. This tape reveals many villages that have been forgotten by the rest of the world. Water and electricity is missing, the houses are old, worn down and not fit to be inhabited. Nor is 80-90 year old people allowed to speak Macedonian but are forced to learn Athenian. Why these old people are alone in these forgotten villages without any children is because of their children being forced to leave the Aegean part of Macedonia by the Athenian fascists. These old people have never seen their children again and they have never meet their grand children since they are not let in to the Aegean part of Macedonia by the occupants.
Genocide has been performed in the Aegean part of Macedonia by the Athenian occupants. The most known are the one after 1913 and during the Second World War and after. This tape is proof of what the Macedonian people, in the year 2001, are experiencing in their own country. One can wonder how a country, the so called "Greece" can be a member of the EU, a "democratic" organization. The bureaucratic bandits in Brussels, Strasbourg and Luxembourg should be ashamed.
If this tape was to be copied and sent to the press and the media of the world we can guarantee that no one would show it. The Western World would stop it so the truth about the Macedonian people will not come out. But the future will show the truth about the Macedonian nation.
This appeal will be sent by e-mail to all the governments of the world. We ask you to answer as soon as possible, by registered letter, sign by the country's head of State, on the address:
Web Site: www.vmro-mnm.com
Contact: macedonia_for_the_macedonians@vmro-mnm.com, info@vmro-mnm.com, trepet@vmro-mnm.com, vmro-mnm@vmro-mnm.com
We thank the countries that have supported us since before and they who in the future will support us.
United Macedonia
United Macedonians
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
December 8, 1997
To the Turkish Government!
I am writing to you concerning the false history of Macedonia.
The whole world knows that the Macedonian history is falsified but do not want to admit it. Macedonian archaeologists, philosophers, professors and historians have found very strong evidence about the true history of the Macedonian nation, the Macedonian history and the Macedonian country but the most strong evidence are in Istanbul in Turkey, Aleksandria in Egypt and in the Vatican. I ask you to open your archives and show the world the truth about Macedonia and about Aleksandar Makedonski the Great, instead of all these lies that are served the world.
We have existed for thousand of years. We have our own language, our own alphabet and our own symbols, but still the Western World support Athens and Bulgaria although these countries have no evidence only false propaganda.
About propaganda. In Sweden, on TV 4, Skåne, December 3, Utrikes 971203 12:07 (Istanbul, TT Reuters) you could read:
An attempt made on the Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul.
A person was injured when a bursting-charge was thrown at the Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul at the Golden Horn during the night till Wednesday informs a representative of the Greek-Orthodox church. In the historian Greek town Istanbul/Konstantinopel there are a church and chancellery for Bartholomeos I, spiritual leader for 250 million Greek-Orthodox all over the world. The windows were blown out when the home made bomb was thrown over the wall.
This is typical Athenian propaganda and also, typical western propaganda. The Athenians are saying that Istanbul is a "Greek" town. Turkey knows as well as the whole world that Istanbul was a Macedonian town and that the town was called Cari Grad. In the 15th century, Cari Grad was invaded by the Ottomans and the name of the town changed to Istanbul. The churches in Cari Grad was built by Macedonians. The Athenians took our Macedonian Tsar Konstantin and made him their own king. They renamed our Macedonian town Cari Grad to Konstantinopel and made it their own historical "Greek" town. Everyone can see that the Athenians have no roots in the ancient history nor in the Orthodox church. It is clear for everyone that the Orthodox church should have been named The Macedonian Orthodox Church, not the "Greek" Orthodox Church, as it is incorrectly called. I ask the Turkish Government to find the person/persons responsible for the attempt on the Macedonian Orthodox Church in Istanbul.
The Turkish Government has given Macedonia some evidence about the Macedonian history and the the Macedonian territory but this is not enough for the Western World. By not giving the Macedonians all the documents, you are helping the Athenians to crush the Macedonian nation and to destroy the Macedonian history. Turkey has had many conflicts with the Athenians. By not opening the archives , you are helping the Athenians to hide the history.
November 3-4, there was a Balkan meeting on Crete (Athens). I have heard that the Dictator and Traitor Kiro Gligorov signed papers that the Macedonian borders should not be changed. I have also heard that on the documents concerning Macedonia it was written FYROM. We Macedonians cannot accept such documents.
- We cannot accept any documents signed by the Traitor and Dictator Kiro Gligorov.
- We cannot accept any documents with the incorrect name FYROM, printed on it.
- The borders will be changed. We will retrieve all territories from the neighbouring occupants. Hundreds of thousands of Macedonians were forced to leave their homes, their land, their families and relatives. We have to take back our occupied territories so that all Macedonians, who were forced to leave their country, their home and land, can return home and recover what is rightfully theirs. About the *Aegean part of Macedonia, all Athenians that live in Macedonian homes and on Macedonian soil, must return these to their rightfully owners, the Macedonians, immediately.
The propaganda continues in the Western World against the Macedonian nation and against the Macedonian history. I have said many times to the Western media that they should stop with their propaganda, but they continue. they are separatists and provokers who want to start a war.
I wish that the Turkish Government will receive me so that we can discuss the problems of Macedonia and look in your archives. Through even stronger evidence, we can stop the Athenians and the disturbances in the world. The Athenians are nothing but thieves, gangsters, murderers and forgers of history.
This letter will be sent to the Turkish Government through the Turkish Embassy in Stockholm, Sweden.
Yours faithfully,
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of VMRO-MNM
VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
President: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
Koppargården 13 C
261 43 LANDSKRONA
SWEDEN
Tel/fax: +46 418 13624
October 21st, 1998
To the Athenian, Fascist occupation 'government'!
You have received, from your Embassy in Stockholm, copies of my letters that I have written to different authorities and organizations about the violations against and the discrimination of the Macedonian nation and the Macedonian history.
In my letter dated August 10th 1998, I gave the Athenian fascist occupants an ultimatum that by October 1st 1998 to leave occupied Macedonian territory, the Aegean part of Macedonia. 21 days have past but you are still on Macedonian territory.
I give you one last chance to immediately leave Macedonian territory, the Aegean part of Macedonia.
The Macedonian hero, Goce Delcev the great (born 1872, murdered 1903) born in Kukus, in the Aegean part of Macedonia, has left behind strong and intelligent patriots. We will take back our Macedonian territory from the Athenian fascists and Solun will get back its title as Macedonian capital.
VMRO-Makedonija na Makedoncite becomes stronger and stronger. We will take back our stolen Macedonian history. And everything in the world, as statues, symbols, archaeological items and so on, which belongs to the Macedonian nation, will be brought back.
The Macedonian nation can no longer cope with these violations and terror. Macedonians are being abused, imprisoned, our rights have been taken from us. For 85 years you have changed everything. You have changed the names of Macedonian towns and areas and the family names of the Macedonians. You have changed our traditions and nationalities.
All Athenians are to leave Macedonian territory, immediately. The houses and land you have stolen from the Macedonians are to be returned to the rightfully owners. You can live and support yourselves in your own country.
The Macedonian nation will never forget or forgive the Athenians for what they have done to the Macedonian nation. They have murdered and slaughtered Macedonians. They have burnt down the houses of the Macedonians. They have tried to exterminate the whole Macedonian nation. This time the West Fascist and Nazi world will not be able to help you.
They are not welcome in our country. We do not want the Western Occupants, the CIA, the UN, and so on in our country. The Macedonian nation can do without the Western World's fascists, Nazis, bureaucrats and fanatics.
Everyone knows that the 'borders' are incorrect. We Macedonians do not accept these false 'borders'.
The VMRO-MNM has decided to take back the occupied territories from you, from the Bulgarian Sevonistic occupants, from Serbian Cetnik occupants and from the 'Albanian' Balistic occupants.
We also demand that you immediately remove our King Aleksandar Makedonski the Great and our symbol, the sun with 16 beams, the symbol of Kutles, from your currency.
All the documents that you have written our signed together with the Macedonian traitor organization MPO-SDSM are not valid to the Macedonian nation or to the party VMRO-MNM. Only documents with VMRO-MNM are valid.
Long live the Macedonian nation!
Long live the Macedonian country!
Jas sum Makedonec a ne Fyromec!
Nie sme Makedonci a ne Fyromci!
President of VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
President:Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
Koppargården 13 C
261 43 LANDSKRONA
Tel/fax: +46 418 136 24
October 23d, 1998
To the 'Bulgarian' barbaric fascist and Nazi occupation 'government'!
86 years have past since the 'Bulgarian' Sevonists, in 1912, occupied Macedonian territory, the Pirin part of Macedonia.
August 10th 1913 Macedonia was divided into 3 parts according to the Bucharest treaty, between 'Bulgarian' Sevonists and fascists, Athenian fascists, Serbian communists and Cetniks. The Macedonian nation has never accepted the dividing of the country.
According to the same treaty, where West fascists, Nazis and Macedonian traitors participated, the occupied territories was to be returned by August 10th 1998.
On August 10th 1998, the time expired when the occupants were to leave Macedonia in peace. In the letter I sent to the European Parliament, on that day, I and my party VMRO-Makedonija na Makedoncite gave an ultimatum and demand to the occupants to leave Macedonian territory by Oct 1st 1998.
23 days have now past. Still, the occupants have not left Macedonian territory. Still, the 'Bulgarian' Sevonists have not left the Pirin part of Macedonia.
For many years our people have had to suffer violations, discriminations, torture and murder. That or identity, culture and traditions have been taken from us. That our Macedonian history has been stolen from us. Our history has been forged and rewritten to suit the occupants.
We know, as you and the whole world know, that you in the beginning were not Christians. That you are Asiatic gypsies who came as refugees to the Balkans, to Macedonian territory.
The Macedonian nation does not accept being occupied. 3,2 million Macedonians live in the Pirin part of Macedonia and in towns outside, in 'Bulgaria'.
The Western World's fascists, Nazis, bureaucrats and fanatics support and help 'Bulgarian' Sevonists to violate and discriminate the Macedonian nation.
'Bulgarian' Sevonists have imprisoned and tortured many, many Macedonians. Only one single case has been brought up to the European Court in Strasbourg.
I am mot going to bring this up right know. These 86 years when 'Bulgarian' Sevonists have slaughtered and murdered Macedonians, thrown out Macedonians and taken over their homes and land, performed ethnical cleansing against the Macedonians. All these things will be brought up when you have left Macedonian territory.
All documents that have been written together with, or signed with the Macedonian traitor party MPO-SDSM are invalid. Only documents with VMRO-Makedonija na Makedoncite are valid.
I am very curious on what you together with VMRO-DPMNE' leader Ljubco Georgievski have discussed and signed. Why, he has many times visit Sofija, but not a single time has he met with any Macedonian.
On May 6-7th 1995 I was at VMRO-DPMNE' Second Congress in Kicevo, Macedonia, as a delegate.
VMRO-DPMNE had invited a 'Bulgarian' Sevonist to the congress. And he called us -our valuable brothers. I and most of the people in the hall were shocked.
At that time I lost my confidence for the VMRO-DPMNE, when they invited an occupant and fascist, a murderer, to a Macedonian Party Congress.
I and my party VMRO-Makedonija na Makedoncite do not trust the VMRO-DPMNE.
I give you a last chance to, immediately leave Macedonian territory, or else it will be war.
Long live the Macedonian nation!
Long live the Macedonian country!
Jas sum Makedonec a ne Fyromec!
Nie sme Makedonci a ne Fyromci!
President of VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
President: Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
Koppargården 13 C
261 43 Landskrona
SWEDEN
Tel/Fax: +46 418 13624
October 29th, 1998
To the "Albanian", balistic, terroristic, fascist occupation "government"
I am writing to you concerning the ultimatum and demand that was given to you by VMRO-MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE. The ultimatum and demand expired Oct. 1st, 1998.
Now 29 days have past, but "Albanian", balistic, fascistic occupants are still on Macedonian territory.
You have no right to any country, no right to any acknowledge. You are newcomers on the Balkan.
For about 120 years ago you were brought here from Caucasus by the Turks to work for them as there police dogs. To perform genocide on the Macedonian people. To slaughter and murder Macedonians who were occupied by the Turks.
The area that you today call "Albania" is, as the whole world know, really Macedonian territory.
Under the Second World War you slaughtered and murdered Macedonians with German Nazis' and Italian Fascists' "kind" permission. As "thanks" for your "loyalty", you were given one more piece of Macedonia, Mala Prespa.
At the time when the Turks brought you from Caucasus you were a small group. But since you produces so many children, like rabbits, you have grown incredible fast.
In 1913 you were acknowledged as a new nation and a piece of Macedonia was acknowledged as your new country "Albania" (plus under the Second World War you were "given" Mala Prespa).
How is the situation today? You want to steal more, to have an even bigger "Albania". With the help from the Western Fascists, Nazis Bureaucrats and fanatics since you are the most stupid and poor people in the world.
All the things "you have" succeeded in doing under these years is with the Western World's help and with the Western World's Fascist and Nazi media.
"You have" succeeded in register "political" (terroristic) parties in Macedonia, to sit in the Macedonian parliament, to have ambassadors in foreign countries at Macedonian Embassies, officers within the Macedonian army and police. "You have" also succeeded in having gymnasium and universities in the "Albanian", balistic language.
All this have you succeeded in doing in Macedonia with the help from the Western World's Fascists, Nazis and Macedonian traitors and corrupt Macedonians.
I want to mention some of the traitors who have helped you:
Kiro Gligorov, Branko Crvenkovski, Frckovski, Handiski, Kitanovski, Todorova, Klusev, Tupurkovski, Tito Petkovski and so on.
You "Albanian" fascists and Balists complain and protest all the time about you being discriminated in Macedonia although you have received everything, even more than what the Macedonian people receive in their own country.
Not in any western country have foreigners these rights that you have in Macedonia. But it is not this you want but you want a Great Albania, this you can only dream about.
In Mala Prespa , occupied by "Albanian" Balists and Fascists lives 650 000 Macedonians. Their rights have been taken from them. They have no rights at all. They have no gymnasium or universities. "Albanian" Balists and Fascists, terrorists with black uniforms steal and plunder Macedonian houses. They threat the parents that they shall kidnap their daughters and sell them. This is the "Albanians" tradition, to kidnap, threaten and plunder. And this, to kidnap, did they once learn from the Turks.
The Macedonian nation will never forget or forgive what they have done and this will the "Albanian" Balists have to pay dearly.
The Western World's Fascists, Nazis, the UN troops, American soldiers and CIA agents in Macedonia and Macedonian traitors are guilty to the state Macedonia is in.
The Western World organizes terror organizations in Tirana and have armed them.
"Albanian" Balists and Fascists arrive with weapons to Macedonia. The UN soldiers shut their eyes and keep quiet. They help the "Albanian" Balists, Fascists and terrorists to enter Macedonian territory with large quantities of weapon. So that you shall be prepared and armed to start war and build your Great Albania.
You will not succeed with you plans. The party VMRO-MNM will not let Macedonia be divided and the Macedonian nation shattered again.
In the Serbian province of Kosovo-Metohija you have succeeded so well thanks to large support and help from the Western World. First of all from the Americans, then the Englishmen, Germans, Italians, Frenchmen, Spaniards and so on.
Your best friends, the Americans, have given you "Albanians" and terrorists millions of dollars to buy weapons. And you have also received financial support from other western countries.
You have managed well with your friend Richard Holbrooke. When he some months ago met with the UCK he had to take off his shoes and sit down between two armed terrorists.
The only fault you did was that you did not put a weapon is his hands too and a black terror uniform or a white cap.
You have, with your propaganda and crying, managed to get the whole world on your side. The greatest help, have you gained through west Fascist media who write and show pictures of you. These pictures are "fixed", they are false.
You had never managed this without the Western World's help. It is they who have taught you what you should do.
Concerning the "Albanian", balistic Fascists and Terrorists in Macedonia.
Many "Albanian" families have "fled" from Kosovo-Metohija and "Albania" to Macedonia. Many of you have been given Macedonian citizenship's although you have no right to it. Many "Albanians" are staying in Macedonia with false identification papers.
The illegal "refugees" have the right to vote in local government elections and in parliament elections.
All this have you been given by the traitors, siptaromani
Kiro Gligorov, Branko Crvenkovski, Frckovski, Handiski, Kitanovski, Todorova, Klusev, Tupurkovski, Tito Petkovski, Ljubco Georgievski and so on.
Now in Oct/Nov it is parliament election in Macedonia. "Albanians" have the right to vote and your terror organizations, who calls themselves parties, have the right to sit in the parliament.
I congratulate you in having managed with everything you have demanded in Macedonia. You all stick together. If you continue this way you will succeed in building your Great Albania.
Also the Macedonian nation are stupid who do not understand what will happen if no one stops you.
You have succeeded in getting the newspapers in Macedonia to write about you and the Macedonian radio to talk about you every day and they show you on TV all day long.
You do not need any "Albanian" media in Macedonia when you "own" the Macedonian media.
Even Macedonian newspapers in the Western World writes about you, half the newspaper is about you.
It seems like you have the power in Macedonia an not the Macedonian people.
I, as President of VMRO-MNM, will change the system that exists in our country Macedonia.
All the journalists that the whole time write and talks about you will loose their rights to work as journalists.
We will see to that a democratic and a fair media is formed. Not the corrupt media that we have today.
VMRO-DPMNE and DA co-operates with the "Albanian" Balists and Fascists. VMRO-DPMNE and MPO-SDSM tries to divide Macedonia, one part to the "Albanians" and one to the "Bulgarians".
VMRO-DPMNE drags VMRO's name through the mud.
The traitor Vasil Tupurkovski have promised the "Albanian" Balists that their gymnasium and universities will be legalized.
The traitor Vasil Tupurkovski can not decide this himself in Macedonia.
If he wants to give the "Albanians" universities and gymnasium legally, he have to go to Tirana since it soon will be no "Albanian", balistic Fascist on Macedonian territory.
All "Albanian" Balists will be expelled from Macedonian territory. Other foreigners that live in Macedonia will be expelled if they do not respect Macedonian laws.
VMRO-MNM will give the same rights to all people in the country, but not more to foreigners - as they have now - than what Macedonians have.
The "Albanian" Balists and Fascists from Caucasus must respect VMRO-MNM's ultimatum and demand and immediately leave Macedonia and the Macedonian territory, Mala Prespa, and to take their "Albanian" terrorists from Macedonia to Tirana.
If you do not do this, VMRO-MNM will be forced to liberate occupied territories from "Albanian" Balists and Fascists and throw out all "Albanians" from Macedonia.
And no "Albanian" Balist and Fascist will stand around saying - as they previously have done - that in the Macedonian parliament we speak "Albanian" and that Macedonia will be bloody.
Nor will Rexhepi and Haliti stand around babbling - as they have done lately - that there will be "Albanian" parties and people in the Macedonian parliament.
No "Albanian" Mafia or criminal drug dealers will be left on Macedonian territory and bomb attempts will no longer be made in Macedonia by the "Albanian" terrorists.
I will say to you for the last time
leave the occupied territory, Mala Prespa
All "Albanians" shall leave the Macedonian country or else you will loose whole of "Albania" - as you call it - and you will be expelled to your own native country Albania that lies in Caucasus.
Long live the Macedonian nation. Long live the Macedonian country.
SMRT NA FASIZMOT SLOBODA NA MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD
I MAKEDONSKATA OKOPIRANA ZEMJA!
President of VMRO-MNM (MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE)
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
FROM: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" trepet@vmro-mnm.com
DATE: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:40:32 +0100
TO: "Pavlos Gyparis" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com
CC: "Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet" trepet@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Alo atina ovde e MAKEDONIJA! Hello athens here is MACEDONIA!
The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization -
Macedonia for the Macedonians (VMRO-MNM) !
November 14, 2002
To Pavlos Gyparis
I am writing to you regarding your false and provocative mails that you sent to the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM on October 4, 2002. Actually, you do not deserve any answer since you are not interested in the truth. The only interest you have in our Macedonian history is for the purpose of falsifying it and make it your own. Thus, everything you have written, as you and the rest of the Athenians already know, is inaccurate.
You have been brainwashed by your criminal politicians and fanatics and the Western World's dictatorship regime.
Since you are of Arabian descendent you are the newcomers on Macedonian territory. However, you have been successful in buying friends in the Western World, such as writers, so called historians and experts, politicians and journalists, for the purpose of stealing our Macedonian history, culture and traditions and falsify them to suit you, the newcomers of Arabian origin. I do understand why you are doing this. Since you are gangsters you do as all criminals do: You do not admit your crime and you continue to claim your innocence.
You Athenians are very lucky having the Western World's "historians", writers, professors, etc, helping you to steal the Macedonian history. Consequently, the children in the world read about "Greek" history, "Greek" culture, "Greek" traditions, "Greek" gods and "Greek" antiquity. The truth is, that there are no "Greek" belongings, all of this belongs to us, the Macedonians. It does not belong to you newcomers.
You Athenians have succeeded pretty well with the Macedonian traitors who you pay to destroy the identity of the Macedonian nation. The Asian Tatars ("Bulgarians"), the Albanians from Caucasus and the Serbs from the Armenian Mountains have also experienced the same success due to corrupt Macedonian traitors.
You mentioned the "presidents" Kiro Gligorov and Boris Trajkovski in your mails.
Boris Trajkovski-Vladika: "The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slavs go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11th, with the creation of Samoil's state.
After the fall of Samoil's kingdom, during the centuries-long slavery, the wish for a state of its own never extinguished. This is proved by many uprisings against foreign rulers. In the more recent history, during the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans and in Macedonia occurred the most well-known national liberation uprisings, the Karpos uprising in 1689, the Kresna and Razlovci uprisings in 1878". (http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm)
It comes to no surprise if they have made such statements since they are the greatest traitors. Naturally, they will one day have to pay a high price from their treason.
I am a Macedonian. I am proud of being a Macedonian. I am proud of working for my country Macedonia and my Macedonian people. I am proud of my Macedonian culture, history and traditions. I am proud of our Macedonian kings and heroes who have given their lives for the Macedonian country and the Macedonian people. I am proud of our Macedonian brothers, Kiril and Metodij, who gave us, as you can see on the picture, our Macedonian, not Athenian, alphabet.
http://www.vmro-mnm.com/Among_the_oldest_alphabets_in_the_world_The_Macedonian_alphabet.htm
I and the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM will fight for the liberation of our occupied territories and we will return our stolen history, culture and traditions.
I want to mention an important protocol that I received a couple of days ago regarding a conference that will be held in the occupied Macedonian town Solun on November 15, 2002, with representatives from different organizations and folk groups. In this protocol, the Macedonian nation and the Macedonian language is mentioned. However, such protocols and conferences cannot help the Macedonian people regaining everything that has been stolen and occupied by the newcomers since the only thing they bring up is the language. Thus, the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM do not accept such protocols because, to us, it is not enough to only discuss the language since there are many other issues that are more important to discuss, for example, the return of everything that has been stolen from the Macedonian nation, including the occupied territories.
If you Athenians, together with the EU and the UN, believe that you can trick the Macedonian people and the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM by only acknowledging the Macedonian language, you are wrong. Furthermore, we know that, even if this discussion is held, the language will still not be acknowledged. It might exist on a piece of paper but not in the real world. This is only an act performed by you fascist Athenians, the EU and the UN.
Alo "atina", "sofija", "belgrad" i "tirana" ovde e MAKEDONIJA!
Hallo "athens", "sofija", "belgrad" and "tirana" here is MACEDONIA!
MAKEDONIJA NA MAKEDONCITE!
MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS!
JAS SUM MAKEDONEC A NE FYROMEC!
NIE SME MAKEDONCI A NE FYROMCI!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKATA ZEMJA!
VECNO DA ZIVEE MAKEDONSKIOT NAROD!
LONG LIVE MACEDONIAN!
LONG LIVE THE MACEDONIAN NATION!
MACEDONIA BELONGS TO THE MACEDONIANS NO ONE ELSE.
Ljupco Mircevski-Trepet
President of the Macedonian Organization VMRO-MNM
GREEK COMMITTEE OF THE EUROPEAN
BUREAU FOR LESSER USED LANGUAGES
PO BOX 100, 59200 NAOUSA – GREECE
TEL. ++.3850.22570
E-mail: greblul@otenet.gr
INFORMATION BULLETIN
OCTOBER 2002
NUMBER 1
PRESS RELEASE
On 26 January 2002 a meeting was arranged in Thessaloniki by the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages for representatives of the linguistic minorities of Greece.
This historic meeting ended with a decision to create the Greek Committee of the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages, in other words a committee of the Greek Section of the EBLUL.
The membership of the Greek Committee of the EBLUL will be as follows:
Chairman: Athanasios Parisis (Member of the Centre for Macedonian Culture)
Deputy Chairman: Sotirios Bletsas (President of the Society for Aroumounic (Vlach) Culture)
Secretary: Ibram Onsunoglu (Member of the Turkish Minority Movement for Human and Minority Rights)
Member: Petros Kazias (Member of the Centre for Macedonian Culture)
Member: Georgios Tsamitros (Member of the Society for Aroumounic (Vlach) Culture)
Member: Abdulhalim Dede (Member of the Turkish Minority Movement for Human and Minority Rights)
The objectives of the Greek Committee of the EBLUL are clearly set out in its charter:
1) To preserve and promote the minority languages of Greece, specifically the Aroumounic (Vlach), Macedonian, Pomak and Turkish languages.
2) To seek the introduction of the minority languages into the Greek educational system, in those regions where these languages are spoken.
3) To endeavour to preserve and promote the cultures of the aforesaid minority languages.
The Greek Committee of the European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages, in association with the Brussels Central Bureau, under the aegis and with the funding of the European Union, will endeavour to realise in tangible form its philosophy, namely the need to save and promote a peaceful and multicultural United Europe.
Report on Helsinki Conference
Creation of Joint Structures for Historic Linguistic Minorities in the European Union
Naousa 16 October
A delegation from the Greek Committee of the EBLUL, consisting of Messrs. Athanasios Parisis, Committee Chairman, and Sotirios Bletsas, Deputy Chairman, attended the Conference held in Helsinki, Finland, on 11-12 October 2002. The Conference was held to discuss the subject: ‘Creation of joint structures for the historic linguistic minorities in the European Union’.
The Conference was organised by the Swedish Assembly of Finland, the National Finnish Association of Sweden, the EU Mission and the Ministry for Language of the Welsh Assembly.
Our delegation also participated in the work of the EBLUL Conference.
The Conference was addressed by Bojan Brezigar, President of the EBLUL, Paavo Lipponen, Finnish Prime Minister, Martti Ahtisaari, former President of Finland, Viviane Riding, EU Commissioner for Education and Culture, Asrid Thors, Finnish Euro MP, Ulpu Livari, Euro MP, Jean-Luc Dehaene, former Prime Minister of Belgium, and Colin H. Williams, Minister for Wales.
The theme of the Conference was a timely one, and very relevant indeed to the problems we are facing at the present time. It is connected to two key questions: the impending expansion of the European Union, and the control of developments in south-eastern Europe following recent upheavals.
Mr. Martti Ahtisaari, chairing the Conference, spoke among other things of the necessity of ensuring the protection of human rights and diversity in the current member states.
In discussion of the role of the EU in respect of minority languages, it was agreed that efforts must be made to encourage the development of basic standards, in accordance with which the member states will take appropriate measures, on the basis of their own individual cultures.
Given that in several member states of the EU the protection of linguistic rights is problematic, the Union’s role as coordinator in the development of these standards is of great importance.
M. Jean-Luc Dehaene, former Prime Minister of Belgium, stressed that the European Union must play its part when we are discussing the linguistic diversity of a future Europe. He also stressed the need for a strong constitutional basis, which will commit the European Union in its stance on linguistic and cultural difference.
It must be made clear in the future European Constitution that all languages have the same value and the same dignity.
Mrs. Viviane Riding, EU Commissioner for Education and Culture, described current EU plans for future policy on linguistic diversity.
Before the end of the year a consultation document will be published, setting out the future measures on linguistic diversity and the learning of languages in a European perspective.
The result of this process will be an exchange of views and cooperation between the European Parliament and the European Commission on the launching of an action plan.
Mr. Brezigar, President of the EBLUL, stressed the need to define minimum standards for the protection and promotion of regional and minority languages and to include them in future EU legislation.
This will benefit not only the linguistic communities, but the EU itself, allowing it to avoid future tension and possible conflict within the new member states. Mr. Brezigar also referred to the definition of entry criteria, in Copenhagen in 1993, where respect for minorities is a requirement which must be met by the candidate states.
Finally, Mr. Lipponen, Prime Minister of Finland, referred to the state of the linguistic groups in his own country and described the measures being taken to develop linguistic and cultural diversity.
Finland has two national languages recognised by the Constitution, Finnish and Swedish. He reminded his audience that the Swedish linguistic minority constituted only 6% of the population, an indication of the strength and flexibility required. Strength for each person to use his mother tongue; flexibility in the support for this from Finnish-speakers. He also emphasised the demand for the use of Swedish wherever required.
Flexibility is necessary in understanding that the fundamental principle of equality cannot be applied automatically. The Finnish-speakers, who make up 92% of the population, need to be encouraged to learn another language in order to acquire the ability to understand the situation.
The Chairman
Thanasis Parisis
Announcement
Naousa 21 October 2002
The 1st International Conference of the Brussels EBLUL (European Bureau for Lesser Used Languages) will be held in Thessaloniki on Friday 15 November 2002.
The Conference will be attended by representatives from the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the Brussels EBLUL and various foreign experts in minority language issues.
On the Greek side, delegates to the Conference will include representatives of the linguistic minorities, specifically of the Aroumounic, Macedonian, Turkish and Pomak languages.
Finally, there will be addresses of welcome or brief speeches by representatives of Greek Non-Government Organisations.
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SUBJECT: The truth about Macedonia...
The truth about Macedonia...
? Simple answers to frequently used Slavic arguments "Greece officially denied the use of the name Macedonia after the Balkan wars."
This is a very inaccurate argument. There are several examples of state institutions and private businesses using the name Macedonia which operate in Greece since the early 1900s. These are just a few of them:
The "Macedonia" newspaper (1912)
The Society for Macedonian Studies (1939) [web site]
The museum of ancient Macedonia (1961) [web site]
The museum of the Macedonian struggle (1979) [web site]
Greece has been actively using the name Macedonia since its liberation from the Ottoman empire. If Greece's official position was to "deny the existence of Macedonia" how would it be possible for hundreds of private companies to be named after Macedonia?
"Greece has changed the "Macedonian" names of locations in the Macedonia region."
The Greek names are older than the Slavic ones and most of them have their roots in ancient Greece. The Greek names of the towns in Macedonia are also mentioned in the Bible. A characteristic example is Thessaloniki. This city was founded in 315 bc by the Macedonian king Kasssandros and it was named after Alexanders' half sister - Thessaloniki. How could the Greeks change the name from Solun (as the Slavs claim) to Thessaloniki in 1912 if that was the original name? The name Thessaloniki is even mentioned in the bible by St Paul. Why did he address his letters (epistoles) to the people of Thessaloniki and not the to the people of Solun?
What about the Greek names of towns inside FYROM used during the Ottoman times? Did Greece change them as well?
"Today's 'Greeks' and ancient 'Hellenes have no relation between them."
How is it possible for the people who live in the same region, speak the same language and have the same names and culture not to be descendants of the ancient inhabitants of the region? Similarly we could say that today's Egyptians are not descendants of ancient Egyptians and today's Chinese people are not descedants of ancient Chinese.
The name 'Greek' is in fact ancient as well as the famous philosopher Aritotelis verifies:
"...and she was not there forever, but after the cataclysm of Defkalion, which occurred in the Hellenic area, in fact, in the ancient Hellas, which was around Dodoni, and it changed many times the flow of Acheloos river. In that area live the Selloi and the ones that were once called Graecoi and are now called Hellenes..." [Aristotelis Meteorologika, I, 14]
"There is a large Macedonian minority in Greece"
There is no "Macedonian minority" in Greece because there is no such nationality. There is a small group of people who speak a Slavic dialect which is in fact different from what is claimed to be the "Macedonian language" These people are not a "Macedonian minority" as they consider themselves Greeks. There is also an even smaller group of Slav propagandists who are trying to create a Macedonian minority in Greece. Anyone who didn't consider him/herself Greek could and should have left Greece during the exchange of populations in 1919.
"One million people in Greece consider themselves Macedonians"
In the 1996 parliament elections in Greece the political party of the people who claim to be a "Macedonian minority" gained 3.485 votes (official result). In the 2000 parliament elections they didn't take up part at all. Of course there is no doubt of the integrity of the election procedures since Greece is a member of the European Union. If there was such a large number of "Macedonians" in Greece (1/10th) wouldn't be easy for them to stand up against the "Greek occupation"?
"Greece acquired illegally Aegean Macedonia in 1913"
Greece acquired 51% of Macedonia in 1913 as a result of the treaty of Bucharest. International treaties are not illegal. Furthermore Greece in 1913 was not a powerful country to acquire any land it desired. This land was "given" to Greece because it historically belonged to Greece and its residents were Greek.
"What gives Greece the right to name another country? This issue is straightforward, every country has the right to call itself whatever it wishes."
This is a misleading statement. The author knows very well why Greece is objecting to the use of the name Macedonia. In fact every country has the right to chose its own name as far as it does not belong to another country's history. The name Macedonia belongs to the Greek history. Greece has the right to protect its history and heritage.
"Saints Cyril and Methdje (or Kirl and Metodi) were not Greeks but Macedonians."
Saints Cyrilos and Methodios were Greeks born in Thessaloniki and this is well known to all Christians. Pope John Paul the B' in an official apostolic homily to the entire Catholic Church proclaimed that Methodius and Cyril "Greek brethren born in Thessaloniki" are consecrated as "heavenly protectors of Europe". John Paul B' repeated this statement in a speech delivered in the church of Saint Clements, in Rome. You can see the original document here.
"Greece stole the Macedonian history"
Greece does not 'steal' history. It has its own lengthy and respected history. It is the only thing that Greece has plenty of it. The Greek history and culture is respected by all the countries in the world. People who don't have their own history need to 'steal' someone else's...
"Linguistic science has at its disposal a very limited quantity of Macedonian words. A very limited quantity in this case is a quantity indeed, that Greeks cannot ignore."
This argument proves the Greek point that the "Macedonian language" was a Greek a dialect. There only exists "a limited quantity of Macedonian words" because the Macedonian dialect had "limited" differences from the Greek language.
How could it be possible for a separate "ancient Macedonian language" to disappeared after what Alexander had achieved?
"If Philip united and not conquered the Greeks why did Alexander leave 25.000 men of his army in Macedonia when he is about to face the strongest and most numerous army in the world?"
No sensible leader would go on a quest taking ALL his army with him and leaving his homeland unprotected!
And of course he did not leave 25.000 men in Macedonia because he was afraid of the other Greeks. Macedonia had lots of real enemies at its northern border (Illyrians, Dardanians,Paionians etc).
"If Macedonians were Greek then why only 30% of Alexander's army were Greek?"
The right question to ask is 'why as many as 30% of Alexander's army were from the rest of Greece?' After all Macedonians and Greeks were supposed to be enemies! The Macedonians 'conquered' the Greeks according to the Slavic version of the Macedonian history. The fact that a very significant part of Alexander's army were non-Macedonian Greeks shows the truth.
"Ancient Macedonians did not take part in the Olympic Games"
This is another false statement. It can be easily proved that people from Macedonia took part in the Olympic Games. For a list Macedonians who won the Olympic Games the click here.
"Ancient Macedonians fought against Greece."
This is another misleading statement. It is well known that the ancient Greek states were largely independed of each other and that often led to wars between them. Some well-known examples are the Peolloponisian was between Athens and Sparti, the Athenians quest in the island of Mitilini, the brutal war between Sparti and Thebes and many more. A war between two ancient Greek regions did not mean that one of them was not Greek.
"There are no ancient monuments written in the Macedonian language because Greek archaeologists destroy them when they are recovered."
Even if we accept that this is true it still doesn't explain why aren't there any monuments in the rest of Macedonia!
What about the ancient monuments in FYROM and Bulgaria?
What about the ancient monuments on Alexander's route in Asia?
Why aren't there any "non Greek Macedonian monuments" ?
Oh, I know why! The Greek archaeologists must have destroyed them as well !!!
"If in fact, "Macedonia is Greece", how come they feel the need to emphasize, to shout, and to proclaim over and over again? After all, we never hear them proclaiming that 'Thebes is Greece', or 'Sparta is Greece' ".
If the Salvs wanted to name heir country "Republic of Thebes" or "Republic of Sparta" who would shout out "Thebes and Sparta are Greek". But they are claiming to be Macedonians so we shout that
"MACEDONIA WAS GREEK"
"MACEDONIA IS GREEK"
"MACEDONIA WILL BE FOREVER GREEK"
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FROM: "Pavlos Gyparis" pavlosg_louisgroup@hotmail.com | Save Address
DATE: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:11:35 +0300
TO: "VMRO-MNM" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Are FYROM's residents Macedonians?
? A quick review of the Fyromian web sites wil prove that they seem to be confused themselves:
Some of them believe they are descedants of ancient Macedonians Some of them beleive that they can consider themeselves Macedonians since they live in a part of what used to be ancient Macedonia Some of them believe they are Macedonians but not directly linked to ancient Macedonians Some of them believe they are Macedonians because they are free to call themselves as they like(!!!)
The official web site of the president of FYROM states clearly that these people came to Macedonia at the end 10th century:
"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slaves go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11t, with the creation of Samoil's state."
Link: http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm
Also the first president of FYROM president Mr. Kiro Gligorov confirmed twice that they are not related to the ancient Macedonians:
"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians." (from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )
"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)
The following questions are obvious:
Why do you call yourselves "Macedonians" and your language "Macedonian"?
Why do you use ancient Macedonian symbols if they don't belong to you?
The historic truth is that the Slavs descented into the region not before the 6th century long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece. They don't have any historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia and they would be realy foolish if they officialy claimed that they did. There is no historic or archaeological evidence connecting them with ancient Macedonia.
In any case occupying 25% of ancient Macedonian land does not give them the right to steal the Macedonian history and culture. The Macedonian civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization. This is well known and recorded in history books. It is part of Greece's national inheritance and it can not be used by anyone else.
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DATE: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 14:16:56 +0300
TO: "VMRO-MNM" info@vmro-mnm.com
SUBJECT: Why FYROM should not be named "Macedonia"
The truth about Macedonia...
?
FYROM's residents have no historical cultural or linguistic ties with ancient Macedonia.
The heart of ancient Macedonia was not in the teritory which FYROM occupies but in the Greek part of Macedonia were all the major archaeological discoveries took place.
The name "Republic of Macedonia implies a teritorial threat against Greece and other countries and it creates a great risk of renewed ethnic conflict in the Balkans.
The area of FYROM was never called "Macedonia" before the 2nd World War. This name was given to the Southern Yugoslavian providence by General Tito aiming to create conflicts in the region and to obtain Greek and Bulgarian teritories. Before the 2nd World War FYROM was called Vardarska.
FYROM's population is a mixture of many different ethnic groups. Only 60% of them are "Macedonians". There is also a large minority of Albanians (30%) and smaller groups of Serbs Turks, Greeks and others.
Ancient Macedonia and its civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization.
Suggestions
Some suggestions for FYROM's permanent name:
The name this region used since the 2nd world war - Vardarska
The ancient name of the region - Paionia
A name which describes the country geographicaly - Central Balkan Republic
Related links
Are FYROM's residents Macedonians?
http://truth.macedonia.gr/index02.html
The vision of "Greater Macedonia" [External link]
http://uranus.eng.auth.gr/new/eng/macedonia/kofos/
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The truth about Macedonia...
? What do the scholars say?
From "A History of Macedonia"
by Malcom Errington (Philipps-Universitat in Marburg, Germany)
University of California Press, 1993
Page 3
"That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain."
Page 4
"Ancient allegations that the Macedonians were non-Greek all had their origin in Athens at the time of the struggle with Philip II."
From "Alexander's empire"
by John Pentland Mahaffy (University of Dublin, Ireland)
G Putnam's sons, London, 1881
Page 8
"... for with Alexander the stage of Greek influence spread across the world. "
From "The tutorial history of Greece, to 323 B.C. : from the earliest times to the death of Demosthenes"
by W. J. Woodhouse (Universiy of Sydney, Australia)
University Tutorial Press, 1904, (reprinted 1944)
Page 216
" This was Macedonia in the strict sense, the land where settled immigrands of Greek stock later to be called Macedonians"
From "The Western Experience"
by Mortimer Chambers (University of California),
Raymond Grew (University of Michigan),
David Herlihy (Harvard University),
Theodore Rabb (Princeton University)
and Isser Woloch (Columbia University)
Alfred A. Knopf, New York, 2nd edition , 1997
Page 79
"THE MONARCHS OF MACEDONIA:
Macedonia (or Macedon) was an ancient, somewhat backward kingdom in northen Greece. Its emergence as a Hellenic power was due to a resourceful king, Philip II (359-336), whose career has been unjustly overshadowed by the deeds of his son, Alexander the Great".
? What do the ancient historians say?
» On the origin on the Macedonians
» On the language of the Macedonians
» On the religion of the Macedonians
» On the culture of the Macedonians
» On the geography of Macedonia
» What did the Macedonians think of themselves?
» What did the rest of the Greeks think?
http://truth.macedonia.gr/quotes.html#origin
On the origin of the Macedonians
The Greek origin of the Macedonians is proven by the vast majority of the ancient historians.
Diodoros of Sicily talks about the links of Alexander to the Greek mythology (Diodoros, Historical Library 17.1.5):
"On his father's side Alexander was a descendant of Heracles and on his mother's he could claim the blood of the Aeacids, so that from his ancestors on both sides he inherited the physical and moral qualities of greatness."
Herodotus confirms that the Macedonians were people of Greek origin (Histories of Herodotus Book 5, paragraph 22.1)
"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know and will prove it in the later part of my history.That they are so has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia. "
And later on (Book 8, paragraph 137.1) he verifies it:
"This Alexander was seventh in descent from Perdiccas, who got for himself the tyranny of Macedonia in the way that I will show. Three brothers of the lineage of Temenus came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gauanes and Aeropus and Perdiccas; and from Illyria they crossed over into the highlands of Macedonia till they came to the town Lebaea."
Also in the very first book of his "Histories" (paragraph 56.3 ) Herodotus states about the origin of the the Greek people:
"For in the days of king Deucalion it inhabited the land of Phthia, then the country called Histiaean, under Ossa and Olympus, in the time of Dorus son of Hellen; driven from this Histiaean country by the Cadmeans, it settled about Pindus in the territory called Macedonian; from there again it migrated to Dryopia, and at last came from Dryopia into the Peloponnese, where it took the name of Dorian."
Thoukididis also verifies that the Macedonian kings' origin was from the Greek town of Argos (Book 2, 99.3):
"The country on the sea coast, now called Macedonia, was first acquired by Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his ancestors, originally Temenids from Argos."
Aristotelis, the teacher of Alexander the Great says about the rivers in Macedonia (Meteorologika, Book I, Par. 13):
"Of the rivers in the Greek world, the Achelous flows from Pindus, the Inachus from the same mountain; the Strymon, the Nestus, and the Hebrus all three from Scombrus; many rivers, too, flow from Rhodope."
Finally Isocratis states (To Philip, paragraph 32):
"Argos is the land of your fathers, and is entitled to as much consideration at your hands as are your own ancestors;"
On the language of the Macedonians
The Macedonians spoke the Greek language as the ancient authors verify. The Roman writer Titus Livius says : (from "The Foundation of the City", Paragraph 31)
"The Aitolians, the Akarnanians, the Macedonians, men of the same language, are united or disunited by trivial causes that arise from time to time; with aliens, with barbarians, all Greeks wage and will wage eternal war; for they are enemies by the will of nature, which is eternal, and not from reasons that change from day to day."
Didorus of Sicily (17.67.1) says:
"After this Alexander left Dareius's mother, his daughters, and his son in Susa, providing them with persons to teach them the Greek language, and marching on with his army on the fourth day reached the Tigris River. "
On the religion of the Macedonians
The Macedonians had the same religion as the rest of the Greeks, they worshiped the twelve Olympian Gods.
Two quotes from Plutarch's "Alexander"
"Philip, after this vision, sent Chaeron of Megalopolis to consult the oracle of Apollo at Delphi, by which he was commanded to perform sacrifice, and henceforth pay particular honour, above all other gods, to Zeus;"
"He [Alexander he Great] erected altars, also, to the gods, which the kings of the Praesians even in our time do honour to when they pass the river, and offer sacrifice upon them after the Greek manner."
Diodoros of Sicily also makes clear that the Macedonnians worshiped the twelve Greek Gods:
Histories, Chapter 16, 95.2
"Along with lavish display of every sort, Philip included in the procession statues of the twelve Gods brought with great artistry and adorned with a dazzling show of wealth to strike awe to the beholder, and along with these was conducted a thirteenth statue, suitable for a god, that of Philip himself, so that the king exhibited himself enthroned among the twelve Gods."
Histories, Chapter 16, 91.5-6
"He (King Philip) wanted as many Greeks as possible to take part in the festivities in honour of the gods, and so planned brilliant musical contests and lavish banquets for his friends and guests. Out of all Greece he summoned his personal guest-friends and ordered the members of his court to bring along as many as they could of their acquaintances from abroad."
On the culture of the Macedonians
"Alexandros observed that his soldiers were exhausted with their constant campaigns. ... The hooves of the horses had been worn thin by steady marching. The arms and armour were wearing out, and the Hellenic clothing was quite gone. They had to clothe themselves in materials of the barbarians,..."
(Diodoros of Sicily 17.94.1-2)
On the geography of Macedonian
The great philosopher Aristotelis (Aristotle) considers the rivers in Macedonias as "rivers in the Greek world"
"Of the rivers in the Greek world, the Achelous flows from Pindus, the Inachus from the same mountain; the Strymon, the Nestus, and the Hebrus all three from Scombrus; many rivers, too, flow from Rhodope. ..."
(Aristotelis, Meteorology, Book 1, Par. 13)
and later on he says:
"The deluge in the time of Deucalion, for instance, took place chiefly in the Greek world and in it especially about ancient Hellas, the country about Dodona and the Achelous, a river which has often changed its course. Here the Selli dwelt and those who were formerly called Graeci and now Hellenes..."
(Aristotelis, Meteorology, Book 1, Par. 13)
What did the Macedonians think of themselves?
It is very clear from the surviving ancient sources that the Macedonians considered themselves to be Greeks.
In Herodotus (Book 9, paragraph 45.2) Alexander I , king of Macedonia says:
"... I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery ..."
Alexander III (the Great) talking to the king of the Persians says: (Arrian, Anabasis of Alexander II,14,4)
"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury [...] I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks [...] "
Arrian ("Alexander the Great" 1,16,7) describes the following incident: After winning an important battle in Asia ...
"He [Alexander the Great] sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander son of Philip and the Hellenes, except the Lacedaemonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia"
(Diodoros of Sicily 16.93.1)
"Every seat in the theater was taken when Philip appeared wearing a white cloak and by his express orders his bodyguard held away from him and followed only at a distance, since he wanted to show publicly that he was protected by the goodwill of all the Hellenes, and had no need of a guard of spearmen."
And from Flavious Josephus (11.8.5) we have the following incident where Alexander clearly considers himself a Greek:
"And when the book of Daniel was showed to him (Alexander the Great) wherein Daniel declared that one of the Greeks should destroy the empire of the Persians, he supposed that himself was the person intended"
What did the rest of the Greeks think?
The ancient Greek people alwayws considered the Macedonians to be Greek as well. This can be easily proved because the Macedonians were members of all the Greek institutions, such as the Delphic amphictiony:
Pausanias writes in his book "Description of Greece" (10.3.3):
"The Phocians were deprived of their share in the Delphic sanctuary and in the Greek assembly, and their votes were given by the Amphictyons to the Macedonians."
and also in his book "Phokis" (8,2 & 4):
"They say that these were the tribes collected by Amphiktyon himself in the Hellenic Assembly: [...] the Macedonians joined and the entire Phocian race [...] In my day there were thirty members: six from each of Nikopolis, Macedonia and Thessaly [...] "
Aeschines (On the Embassy 2.32) gives evidence of the Macedonian king Amyntas taking part at the congress of the Lacedaemonian allies and the other Greeks:
"For at a congress of the Lacedaemonian allies and the other Greeks, in which Amyntas, the father of Philip, being entitled to a seat, was represented by a delegate whose vote was absolutely under his control, he joined the other Greeks in voting to help Athens to recover possession of Amphipolis. As proof of this I presented from the public records the resolution of the Greek congress and the names of those who voted".
Isocratis, one of the most impotant orators of ancient Greece says in his speach "To Philip" addressed to King Philip II of Macedonia (Paragaraph 127):
"Therefore, since the others are so lacking in spirit, I think it is opportune for you to head the war against the King; and, while it is only natural for the other descendants of Heracles, and for men who are under the bonds of their polities and laws, to cleave fondly to that state in which they happen to dwell, it is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Greece your fatherland, as did the founder of your race, and to be as ready to brave perils for her sake as for the things about which you are personally most concerned."
The Sicilian historian Diodoros says in his history about King Philip of Macedonia (Diodoros, Historical Library 16.95.1-2)
"Such was the end of Philip, who had made himself the greatest of the kings in Europe in his time, and because of the extent of his kingdom had made himself a throned companion of the twelve gods. He had ruled twenty-four years. He is known to fame as one who with but the slenderest resources to support his claim to a throne won for himself the greatest empire in the Greek world, while the growth of his position was not due so much to his prowess in arms as to his adroitness and cordiality in diplomacy.
Even the Persians considerd Macedonia a part of Greece! The Persian king Mardonius says : (From the Histories of Herodotus Book 7, Paragraph 9.1-2).
"We know the manner of their battle- we know how weak their power is; already have we subdued their children who dwell in our country, the Ionians, Aeolians, and Dorians. I myself have had experience of these men when I marched against them by the orders of thy father; and though I went as far as Macedonia, and came but a little short of reaching Athens itself, yet not a soul ventured to come out against me to battle. [...] Yet the Greeks are accustomed to wage wars, as I learn, and they do it most senselessly in their wrongheadedness and folly [...]. Since they speak the same language, they should end their disputes by means of heralds or messengers, or by any way rather than fighting; if they must make war upon each other, they should each discover where they are in the strongest position and make the attempt there. The Greek custom, then, is not good; and when I marched as far as the land of Macedonia, it had not come into their minds to fight."
Mardonius marched against the Greeks and he "went as far as Macedonia, and came but a little short of reaching Athens itself". Obviously he considers Macedonia a part of Greece!
Related links
How the Slavic propaganda exploits the ancient sources to dispute the Greek identity of the ancient Macedonians.
http://truth.macedonia.gr/distortion.html
What do today's scholars say about the identity of the ancient Macedonians?
http://truth.macedonia.gr/scholars.html
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SUBJECT: Prokleti Makedonski izrodi-predavnichki // http://www.president.gov.mk/eng/makedonija.htm
REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA
Documents:
plural elections
declaration of sovereignity
referendum
constitution
declaration of international recognition
adhesion of the Republic of Macedonia to the UN
integration in the European Union
Symbols
The Republic of Macedonia was established as an outcome of the century-long struggle of the Macedonian people for national liberation and for a state of its own.
The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slavs go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11th, with the creation of Samoil's state.
After the fall of Samoil's kingdom, during the centuries-long slavery, the wish for a state of its own never extinguished. This is proved by many uprisings against foreign rulers. In the more recent history, during the Ottoman Empire in the Balkans and in Macedonia occurred the most well-known national liberation uprisings, the Karpos uprising in 1689, the Kresna and Razlovci uprisings in 1878.
The foundations of the modern Macedonian state were established during the Ilinden uprising in 1903, with the proclamation of the Krusevo Republic (in the town of Krusevo), as the first Republic on the Balkans. Nikola Karev was declared first president of the first Macedonian Republic.
Less than a decade after the Ilinden uprising was violently quelled, Macedonian and the Macedonian people undergo some of the most tragic times of their history. After the Balkan wars in 1912 and 1913 Macedonia was divided among the neighboring Balkan countries whereas the Macedonian people are subjected to denationalization, assimilation and genocide. The contemporary Republic of Macedonia is situated on the territory that became part of Serbia after the Balkan wars. (later within Yugoslavia).
In the course of the Second World War, in August 2, (on the Ilinden Day) in 1944, the First Session of then Anti Fascist Assembly of the National Liberation (ASNOM) was held in the Monastery of St. Prohor of Pcinja. At this session, the foundations of the modern Republic of Macedonia were established, as a member of the Democratic Yugoslav Federation.
The first Macedonian Constitution adopted on December 31, 1946, declares the People's Republic of Macedonia as a state - a constitutive member of the Yugoslav Federation. In accordance with the Constitution of April 7, 1963, it was named as Socialist Republic of Macedonia and remained such until June 7,1991 when the Assembly passed a constitutional amendment deleting the designation "Socialist" from the state's name, establishing its present name - Republic of Macedonia.
PLURAL ELECTIONS
In accordance with the new Law on Elections and the new Law on Political Organization of Citizens, first democratic plural elections were held on November 11, 1990.
DECLARATION ON SOVEREIGNTY
In January 25, 1991, the new multi party Assembly adopted the Declaration on Sovereignty of the Republic, which, among other things, defines the Republic of Macedonia as a sovereign state, which decides independently about its future relations with the states of the other peoples of Yugoslavia, in accordance with its own interests,
REFERENDUM
After the dissolution of the Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia, to which pertained the Republic of Macedonia, the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia proclaims a referendum on which the citizens had to decide for a secession from the Yugoslav federation and for the proclamation of an independent Republic of Macedonia.
At the referendum held on September 8, 1991, more than 90% of the citizens that voted were in favor of a sovereign and independent Republic of Macedonia.
Based upon the results of the referendum, the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia, in September 17, 1991, adopted a Declaration on Independence. The Declaration states that the Republic of Macedonia as a sovereign and independent state will strive for consistent observance of the generally accepted principles of the international relations contained in the Charter and other documents of the United Nations Organization, the CSCE Final Act from Helsinki and the CSCE Paris Charter, and that this will be the basis of its international relations.
THE CONSTITUTION
In November 17, 1991, the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia adopted and proclaimed the new Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia, which confirmed the state's name, and the Republic of Macedonia was defined as a sovereign, independent, democratic and welfare state. The sovereignty derives from the citizens and belongs to them. The Republic of Macedonia is organized in accordance with the principles of modern democratic and parliamentary states. The Constitution of the Republic of Macedonia follows the principles of a democratic political system and there is a multiparty parliamentary system.
DECLARARTION ON INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION
In December 19, 1991, the Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia adopted a Declaration on the International Recognition of the Republic of Macedonia as a Sovereign and Independent State.
ADHESION OF THE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA TO THE UN
The Assembly of the Republic of Macedonia in July 29, 1992, passed a decision on the membership of the Republic of Macedonia in the United Nations Organization as a sovereign and independent state. Shortly after that, the President of the Republic of Macedonia submitted a formal application for admission of the Republic of Macedonia as a member of the UN. The Republic of Macedonia was accepted as member of the UN in April 8, 1993. The Republic of Macedonia has accepted the Declaration and other UN documents, the principals of the modern international relations and the existing standards within the international law.
INTEGRATION IN THE EUROPEAN UNION
One of the strategic orientations of the Republic of Macedonia as a state and of its citizens is the integration in the family of European nations, where we belong both geographically and from a civilizing point of view.
As a result of the democratic processes in the state and of its contribution to the stability and peace in the region, the Republic of Macedonia has done its first step to a full integration in the European Union and in Euro Atlantic structures, by signing the Stabilization and Association Agreement with the EU on April 6, 2001.
Letter to the European Court of Human Rights Council of Europe Strasbourg-Cedex FRANCE!
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2003-04-02
Till Europadomstolen i Strasbourg
Jag skriver till er angående mina problem i detta nazistiska, fascistiska och kriminella, svenska samhälle. I detta land har jag utsatts för bedrägliga och kränkande handlingar av svenska kriminella myndigheter som stulit hundratusentals kronor av mig.
1987 öppnade jag ett företag. Jag lånade då 45 000 skr på SE-banken. Jag tog också lån på Nordbanken (+checkräkningskredit). Därutöver köpte jag kontorsmöbler på IKEA och kontorsmaterial på Gleerups, allt på faktura, mm. Tyvärr gick inte företaget bra och för att kunna överleva var jag tvungen att avregistrera mitt företag. Hade jag bara hållit ut en månad till, då jag blev erbjuden ett arbete av ett stort byggnadsföretag i Sverige, hade min lycka varit gjord.
1988 började jag arbeta på ett slakteri. Jag började då också betala av på min skuld med 1 250 kr som automatiskt drogs från min lön varannan vecka. Lite mer än ett år senare var min skuld på 45 000 skr till SE-banken betald – endast räntan återstod. Jag fortsatte då att betala 1 000 skr/mån till detta. Tyvärr skadades jag allvarligt på mitt arbete vilket betydde att jag blev långtidssjukskriven. Jag fortsatte ändå att betala av på räntan till SE-banken. Problemet var att även kronofogdemyndigheten gjorde avdrag på min sjukinkomst med mellan 1 000 – 1 500 skr/mån. Till slut med min dåliga (och fortsatt dåliga) inkomst kändes detta ohållbart och jag slutade betala till SE-banken. Kronofogdemyndigheten tog då över alla skulder.
Kronofogdemyndigheten har alltså dragit pengar från mig under hela tiden. Både under min sjukskrivning och sedan när jag blev förtidspensionär. Summan har varit ca 2 500 skr/mån (någon gång 2 800 skr). De har också lagt beslag på min överskjutande skatt. Denna summa har varierat beroende på hur mycket skatt jag betalat in men den har legat på mellan 6 000 kr – 9 000 kr. Allt som allt har kronofogdemyndigheten dragit ca 30 000 – 40 000 skr av mig varje år.
Som nämnts tidigare så började jag betala av på min skuld till SE-banken 1988 och lite mer än ett år senare var skulden betald. Det skrämmande är att år 2000 betalade jag 18 805,34 skr i ränta till SE-banken. Detta är alltså ca 10 år senare! Både skulden och räntan har alltså betalats tillbaka med åtminstone ett fyrdubbelt belopp. Men det som är mer skrämmande är att år 2002 fick jag papper om att jag fortfarande inte var kvitt skulden till SE-banken utan var skyldig dem 54 739 skr! När jag kontaktade SE-banken angående detta sade de att jag inte var skyldig dem något, att skulden var betald. Men enligt ett papper från kronofogdemyndigheten daterat 2003-03-12 är nu skulden till SE-banken 57 556 skr. Detta är en höjning på skulden på 2 817 skr på ett år. Då kan man börja undra var de ca 2 500 skr tar vägen som de drar av mig varje månad. De har i alla fall inte använt dem till att betala skulder.
Min dåliga hälsa och mitt handikapp har inneburit otaliga läkarbesök och dyra mediciner. Detta och min redan dåliga ekonomi på grund av mycket låg inkomst tillsammans med kronofogdens avdrag gjorde att jag 1996 fick problem med att betala min hyra. Min hyresskuld var då 8 848 kr inklusive ränta. I 1997, då kronofogdemyndigheten tog över skulden, var den på 10 679 skr exklusive ränta! Inklusive ränta skulle jag då betala 12 896 skr. Vad jag inte kan förstå är hur kapitalskulden kan förändras. Att det tillkommer ränta är inget egendomligt (den skall dock vara rimlig) men att själva kapitalskulden växer osar lurendrejeri! En annan sak angående den skulden är att den i dag, 2003, är på 5 300 skr + ränta 729,28 skr = 6 029,28 skr. Detta betyder att av de ca 2 500 skr kronofogdemyndigheten drar av mig varje månad så har, på 5,5 år, 6 866,72 skr gått till denna skuld (skulden skulle egentligen idag vara på 8 848 – 6 866,72 = 1 981,28 skr och inte 6 029,28). Det blir alltså 104 kr i månaden! Då kan man naturligtvis fråga sig var de andra pengarna tagit vägen för som vi kan se så har de inte gått till mina skulder. Alla de skulder jag har finns på kronofogdemyndigheten. Deras skyldighet, med alla de pengar de drar av mig, är att se till att alla skulder betalas (och att det sker med en gnutta förstånd, hyresskulden skulle ha kunnat vara betald för flera år sedan). Men som det ser ut verkar de har stoppat dessa pengar i sina egna fickor. Min orsak till att komma med detta påstående kommer jag att ta upp senare i detta brev.
Jag har under alla dessa år betalat mellan 400 000 – 500 000 skr. Kvar är skulder på ca 250 000 skr. En sådan hög summa hade jag inte 1989.
En annan räkning som jag har och som också finns hos kronofogdemyndigheten är från telefonbolaget Telia. Detta är en katastrofräkning på 30456.00 skr (Datum, 2003-02-26).
I Sverige är det känt att folk har fått mycket höga telefonräkningar trots att de inte har använt telefonen. Den summan på 30456.00 skr jag har fått kan jag inte acceptera. Tyvärr kan ingen vinna över Telia – maffian - då de stöds av svenska myndigheter.
Som jag har nämnt tidigare angående kronofogdemaffian så verkar det som om de har stoppat mina pengar i sina egna fickor. Orsaken till mitt påstående kommer jag att förklara här. Under många år har jag betalat oerhörda summor till kronofogdemyndigheten och fortfarande är inte mina skulder betalda. När jag gjorde ett snabbt överslag av mina skulder fann jag att jag hade betalat in alldeles för mycket. Jag skrev då ett brev till kronofogdemyndigheten (se bilaga 1) där jag bad om kopior på vilka företag jag haft/har en skuld till, samt hur stor summan är/har varit. Räntan skulle specificeras. Detta brev lämnade jag personligen till kronofogdemyndigheten, till en kvinna vi namn Yvonne Karlsson, 2002-09-04. Några dagar senare fick jag ett annat brev från en kvinna vid namn Åsa Gunnarsson daterat 2002-09-04. Jag trodde då att det kanske var ett svar på min förfrågan men så var inte fallet. Jag skickade då även min förfrågan till henne. Jag har fortfarande inte fått något svar på mitt brev. Däremot har jag fått dessa papper från dem 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) och 2003-01-14 (bilaga 3). Jag vill bara ta upp här vad kronofogdemyndigheten skriver i sitt brev från 2003-01-14, mer än 4 månader efter mitt brev som de inte orkat svara på:
Ni har tidigare underrättats om nedan förtecknade skulder. Eftersom ni inte har betalt, avser kronofogdemyndigheten att pröva om utmätning av er lön, pension m.m. kan ske. Utmätning av lön innebär att avdrag görs på er lön, pension m.m. hos arbetsgivaren eller försäkringskassan så att skulden blir betald.
För att kronofogdemyndigheten skall kunna bedöma hur stort avdrag som kan göras, är det viktigt – för er egen skull – att ni fyller i och skickar bifogade blankett till kronofogdemyndigheten senast den 30 januari 2003 (använd svarskuvertet) Det går också bra att lämna uppgifterna per telefon.
Vill ni undvika att lön, pension m.m. tas i anspråk måste ni betala hela skulden omgående.
För ytterligare upplysningar kan ni vända er till kronofogdemyndigheten.
Handläggs av Yvonne Karlsson
Tala om fräckhet! Här har jag kontaktat dem upprepade gånger men de har inte ens orkat svara på mina förfrågningar. Sedan har de mage att skicka ett sådant papper som detta. Varje månad drar kronofogdemyndigheten 2 500 skr av min pension. Hur länge tänker de fortsätta med sin utsugning? Enligt ett utdrag ur kronofogdemyndighetens databas daterat 2002-12-10 (bilaga 2) har 7 660 skr av mina pengar gått till att betala skulder. Då frågar jag, var har de andra pengarna tagit vägen?? De skulder som kronofogdemyndigheten nämner i sitt papper (bilaga 3) är skulder som redan finns hos dem och som de skall fördela mina 2 500 skr till, varje månad. Här är det inget tal om att inte betala när de drar pengar av mig just för att de skall göra just detta. Märk också att denna kvinna är densamma som jag gav brevet till i september månad, och som jag fortfarande inte fått svar på.
Detta är det svar jag gav kronofogdemyndigheten:
Ni har under åtskilliga år gjort avdrag på min lön och sedemera min pension. Nu visar det sig att ni kräver pengar för en skuld till SE-banken som redan är betald. Jag har även varit i kontakt med SE-banken som bekräftar att jag inte längre har någon skuld till dem. Som jag nämnt har ni under en mycket lång tid gjort avdrag på min inkomst. Ändå, skall jag enligt er, ha ett flertal skulder kvar att betala. Som ett exempel vill jag nämna en mycket gammal skuld till Landskronahem som fortfarande inte är betald. Allt detta får mig naturligtvis att undra var denna, under årens lopp, stora summa som ni har dragit har tagit vägen.
Jag har tidigare bett er att skicka papper på alla mina skulder och alla de utbetalningar som gjorts under alla dessa år. Men fast jag upprepande gånger har bett er att skicka dessa papper har ni underlåtit att göra detta. Ert ointresse och okänslighet för mitt fall ger mig ingen annan möjlighet an att föra vidare min klagan till Europadomstolen.
Jag ser ingen anledning att svara på era frågor när ni själva nonchalerar mina upprepande förfrågningar.
Jag har, inte överraskande, inte fått något svar på detta brev. Jag har rätt att få svar – jag har rätt att få redovisning - men inget har jag har fått. De håller tyst men vill stjäla pengar från mig livet ut och det kan jag inte acceptera.
Under samma tid, 2002-09-09, besökte jag även skattemyndigheten där jag också lämnade ett brev. Inte heller från dem fick jag något svar. 2003-01-28 var jag igen hos skattemyndigheten för att ge dem brevet ännu en gång och fråga varför jag inte fått svar. Kvinnan jag pratade med sade att jag skulle ta upp detta med kronofogdemyndigheten istället eftersom de inte hade med detta att göra. Jag sade då till henne att eftersom det är de som betalar ut mina skattepengar till kronofogden så har jag rätt att få svar på mitt brev och en redovisning över de utbetalningar de gjort. Hon sade då att hon kunde ge mig uppgifter för de senaste 10 åren, men inte längre bak i tiden. De papper jag fick av henne är dessa. Dagen efter kom denna datorutskrift.
Jag lämnade också ett brev till försäkringskassan, 2002-09-06, eftersom här finns det starkaste beviset på hur mycket som har betalats ut till kronofogdemyndigheten men fast jag hade rätt att få svar fick jag inget. Efter flera månaders väntan gick jag den 2003-01-28 igen till försäkringskassan för att lämna samma brev. Jag talade då också med högste chefen Olle Guldstrand. Jag visade honom breven till försäkringskassan, kronofogdemyndigheten och skattemyndigheten och frågade honom varför jag inte fått svar på mina frågor. Jag sade också att jag tänkte stämma kronofogdemyndigheten till Europadomstolen och också skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan för deras samarbete med kronofogdemyndigheten i denna stöld. Jag sade till honom att det inte kan vara rätt att först betala 400 000 skr – 500 000 skr under dessa år på en sammanlagd skuld av ca 90 000 skr och ändå ha en skuld kvar som är högre nu än då. Jag sade också till honom att det var försäkringskassans ansvar att kontrollera hur mycket pengar som betalas ut och till vad. Olle Guldstrand sade då att kronofogdemyndigheten skickar papper och dokument och bestämmer hur mycket som skall dras, sedan gör försäkringskassan som de vill. När de gällde svaren på mina frågor sade han att det skulle jag ha fått och att jag hade rätt att kräva det. Han sade att jag skulle få uppgifter från dem snarast möjligt men att jag inte kunde få längre än 10 år tillbaka i tiden eftersom uppgifterna sedan försvinner (vilket är något som låter märkligt och som jag inte kan förstå). Inte överraskande bröt Olle Guldstrand sitt löfte och jag har således inte hört något ifrån honom eller fått några papper från försäkringskassan.
Under denna tid, när jag hade skrivit till kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan och inte fått svar, blev jag naturligtvis orolig och försökte få juridisk hjälp.
Jag kontaktade och besökte flera advokater. Vissa var inte alls intresserade, andra krävde 10, 12, 15 000 kr i förskott vilket jag, med min låga inkomst, naturligtvis aldrig skulle kunna betala. Till slut hittade jag en advokat som var villig att hjälpa mig. När jag träffade advokat Johan Sjöström på advokatfirman Andersson & Sjöström, Parkgatan 2, 261 31 Landskrona, visade jag honom de tre brev jag skrivit till dessa tre maffiakompanjoner och berättade i korta drag hur stora skulder jag haft från början, hur många år de dragit pengar från mig och hur höga skulder jag hade nu. Johan Sjöström var mycket positiv till fallet, tyckte själv att det jag hade betalat var för mycket, och skulle hjälpa mig. Jag var dock först tvungen att betala ett förskott på 1 500 skr till honom. Vi bestämde att vi skulle träffas 2002-10-16 då jag också skulle betala förskottet. När vi träffades igen överlämnade jag några viktiga dokument till honom plus det begärda förskottet. Han var fortfarande positiv till mitt fall och upprepade att jag hade betalat för mycket. Han skulle således börja arbeta med mitt fall omedelbart och kontakta kronofogdemyndigheten, skattemyndigheten och försäkringskassan. Han skulle sedan återkomma till mig snarast möjligt. Efter 2-3 veckor hade jag fortfarande inte hört något från Johan Sjöström och var därför tvungen att själv kontakta honom. När jag talade med honom per telefon var han inte lika positiv till fallet. Han sade att han hade kontaktat dem men fortfarande inte hört något från dem. Han nämnde emellertid något om ränta på ränta. Jag sade då till honom att eftersom varken han eller jag hade fått något svar från de berörda myndigheterna så ville jag att vi skulle stämma dem i tingsrätten. Han sade att i ett sådant här fall kunde man inte göra det. Det fanns ingen lag för ett sådant fall. Jag undrade då hur det kan vara så att det inte finns en lag som gör det möjligt för mig att stämma dem när de finns lagar som gör att de kan stämma mig. Han sade att det var en annan lag. Han sade också att vi skulle vänta och att han skulle kontakta dem igen. Jag väntade på ett svar från Johan Sjöström ända tills december månad, då jag kontaktade honom igen. Han sade till mig att han hade fått brev från kronofogdemyndigheten och att han skulle skicka detta till mig. Jag väntade på detta nya brev från kronofogdemyndigheten men inget kom. I början av januari månad ringde jag således till Johan Sjöström. Jag fick svaret att han hade skickat brevet till mig. Men det enda han hade skickat mig var de kopior jag tidigare gett honom. Jag sade igen till Johan Sjöström att jag ville stämma kronofogdemyndigheten, försäkringskassan och skattemyndigheten men han var lika kritisk till det som förra gången. Jag bad då honom, då han var min advokat, att ge förslag på vad jag skulle göra. Han sade då att han inte kunde göra mer för de pengar jag betalat honom (fast han hade inte gjort något för dem vilket jag också sade till honom) och att jag inte heller hade så mycket pengar att betala honom och att jag skulle veta att det inte fanns någon advokater i Sverige som kunde hjälpa mig med mitt fall. Jag sade då till Johan Sjöström att min enda möjlighet då är att personligen stämma dessa tre till Europadomstolen vilket låter sig göras om detta är en demokratisk, solidarisk och rättvis domstol. Min personliga uppfattning är att denna advokat har blivit köpt av dessa maffiamyndigheter.
Jag vänder mig således till Europadomstolen för att få hjälp att straffa dessa svenska myndigheters kriminella handlingar och därtill även att de betalar tillbaka de pengar de stulit av mig samt ränta och skadestånd. Det är inte meningen att de skall stjäla hundratusentals kronor av mig och sedan förvänta sig att jag skall fortsätta betala till den dag jag dör. Jag och min familj har under många år fått lida både psykiskt och ekonomiskt på grund av deras övergrepp. Jag kräver således ett skadestånd på 1 (en) miljon kronor plus ränta. Och eftersom västvärlden kallas för ett demokratiskt, rättvist och solidariskt samhälle vill jag att ni skall visa er demokrati. Detta utsugande av fattiga och sjuka måste stoppas och de ansvariga kriminella måste straffas. Som domstol räknar jag med att ni kan få fram alla bevis och fakta från dessa kriminella. Jag önskar att detta fall tas upp snarast möjligt, att de skyldiga straffas och mitt skadestånd betalas ut.
Tyvärr är det många gånger så att västmedia predikar rättvisa och solidaritet men bakom stängda dörrar finns kriminaliteten. Här i Sverige ser man varje dag på tv och läser i tidningar att invandrare är kriminella. Nu ser vi dock vem som egentligen är kriminell. Vi invandrare behandlas som tredje klassens medborgare, efter djuren. Detta håller media tyst om istället för att berätta sanningen om den västerländska ”rättvisan” och ”solidariteten”.
Vad jag har upplevt i min kontakt med olika myndigheter är deras liknöjdhet och ointresse. Att något är fel kan vem som helst förstå, en skuld på 45 000 skr 1987, kan inte efter 16 års betalning var uppe i 57 556 skr. Man behöver inte vara speciellt intelligent för att räkna ut detta. Tyvärr är det så att när jag har kontaktat myndigheterna så har de inte ens velat kontrollera detta. Det finns alltså inget sätt för mig att få fram sanningen då de som arbetar där antingen är liknöjda eller inblandade. Men jag vägrar fortsätta att bli avlurad 30 000 - 40 000 skr varje år livet ut och acceptera att mina skulder blir högre och högre Därför vänder jag mig till er som en sista chans att få rättvisa. Jag accepterar inte ett brev där ni skriver att ni inte kan göra någonting, då det är ert ansvar att hjälpa mig.
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